March 12, 2009...3:59 pm

Lessons From the Uganda Homosexuality Conference

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Update: Randy Thomas has also made a public comment on his blog.

Update: Warren Throckmorton just posted a public statement from Scott Lively, as well as a public statement from Alan Chambers as reported to the Christian Post.

Recently, I received a couple e-mails from individuals concerned about a conference on homosexuality that took place in Kampala, Uganda last weekend. Of particular concern was the context of the conference and the fact that a board member from Exodus International participated as one of the three keynote speakers. The conference was sponsored by Family Life Network, a private Ugandan organization founded to address family morals. According to the conference invitation, the event was established in response to pressure to decriminalize homosexuality. In Uganda, constitutional law permits life imprisonment for those convicted of homosexuality. Three American speakers were asked to present: Scott Lively of Defend the Family International, Caleb Lee Brundidge of International Healing Foundation, and Exodus board member Don Schmierer of His Servants.

There were several problems with this conference, including Ugandan Christians supporting laws to imprison gay people, the failure of the American speakers to denounce this harsh penal code, and the suggestion by one speaker to require court-mandated therapy in lieu of imprisonment. As a result of my concerns, I sent a letter to Exodus International president, Alan Chambers, and the Board of Directors asking them to publicly clarify their position on the criminalization of homosexuality and forced therapy. While Exodus was not a sponsor of this event, nor directly involved, the fact that an Exodus board member played a prominent role requires an explanation. To their credit, I received a prompt response from Mr. Chambers. I was not given any definitive details, but it appears position statements may be issued in the future. Though, no timeline was given or promised.

As I have reflected on the conference and the resulting outcry, I decided to write a post on what we can learn from this experience.

Do Your Homework: It is very easy to make quick judgments about a situation without deeper investigation. As I sought information on the conference, virtually all news reports were from pro-gay organizations. There were few, if any, reports from the Ugandan Christian community regarding the conference. Thus, without hearing from all parties, it was difficult to obtain a holistic picture of what transpired. This required a little more digging on my part.

The gay community was particularly concerned about speaker Scott Lively, who has been described as a “Nazi revisionist” for his book The Pink Swastika. I knew nothing about Lively so I checked the web to read articles and statements he has written. Lively appears to be an ultra-conservative who falls into the same group as Americans for Truth, Concerned Women for America, Family Research Council, and Mission: America. He promotes the view that a sinister gay agenda will destroy civilization as we know it if it is not stopped. According to his booklet, Seven Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child, he believes gays are trying to seduce children, and that we are not far from Greco-Roman days when pederasts roamed the streets to molest children on their way to school. He also promotes the view that homosexuality is absolutely acquired with no biological underpinnings. He is vested in denying any possible genetic contributors because if homosexuality is acquired, then it can be stopped. Lively even goes so far as to blame gays for the Nazi holocaust. In the preface of the 4th edition of The Pink Swastika, he demonizes homosexuals as the “true inventors of Nazism and the guiding force behind Nazi atrocities.” Like most ultra-conservatives, he believes in fighting gay activists via such methods as exemplified by his friend Ken Hutcherson who picketed high school students on the Day of Silence.

Ironically, despite his extreme views, he actually made statements at the Ugandan conference that may have sounded progressive to his African audience. Per an eye-witness representing the pro-gay organization SMUG, Lively stated that gays who are acting out in private should be left in peace. He also told conference participants to leave people alone who don’t want to change. But instead focus on fighting open promotion of homosexuality. He also said that criminalization should be tied to treatment rather than imprisonment. If these statements are accurate it suggests Lively is not so much in favor of forced therapy as he was offering the Ugandans a less harsh alternative to imprisonment. Nevertheless, he seems to support the criminalization of homosexuality and he did, in fact, suggest court-mandated therapy for those convicted. This is a frightening prospect given history’s use of electric shock treatment for those who are gay. Who knows what the Ugandan government would consider viable treatment. In any case, such forced therapy has no real hope of being effective.

The reporter also indicated Lively said gay people should be treated with dignity. I do not believe Lively hates gay people. When he spoke to a “Christian” audience in Russia that clapped (chillingly) at his story of a gay man who was killed, he admonished his audience to stop cheering. Yet, such sentiment is likely to be lost in the midst of his rhetoric about the threat of the gay agenda. Given the Ugandan cultural context of fear and anger toward gays, his overall message will likely fan the flame of existing hostility.

The second speaker was Caleb Lee Brundidge, a representative of International Healing Foundation. In news reports Brundidge was criticized for his involvement with the discredited group, Extreme Prophetic. This ministry, among other things, engages in “mortuary ministry” to raise the dead. However, Brundidge did not speak at the conference as a representative of Extreme Prophetic. Rather he shared his testimony of coming out of homosexuality—a typical testimony one might hear at any ex-gay ministry. Nor am I particularly concerned that Brundidge believes, as did the early Christians, that some people can be raised from the dead through prayer. While there are problems with Extreme Prophetic, this appears irrelevant to the conference and merely used as a form of character assassination to further portray the Ugandan conference as weird.

However, Brundidge’s involvement with Richard Cohen’s International Healing Foundation is a concern. Exodus International has publicly disavowed IHF stating: Exodus International does not endorse the work of Richard Cohen or the methods utilized in his practice. Some of the techniques Mr. Cohen employs could be detrimental to an individual’s understanding of healthy relational boundaries and disruptive to the psychological and emotional development of men and women seeking clinical counsel and aid. So, why did an Exodus board member speak alongside a representative of a ministry Exodus has disavowed? The issue is further complicated by the fact that board member, Schmierer, seems to support IHF as indicated by a link he provides to the ministry on his website. Exodus would certainly benefit from more cohesion among its staff and board members about whether are not they believe IHF practices can be “detrimental.”

The third speaker, Exodus board member Don Schmierer, of His Servants focused his presentation on basic Reparative Therapy concepts. That is, people become homosexual due to a breakdown in parent-child relationships. While I don’t agree with all aspects of Reparative Therapy, I support people’s right to provide training regarding their perspective on certain psychoanalytic theory. To his credit Schmierer advised the Ugandan audience to practice empathetic listening and genuine understanding toward those who struggle with same-sex attraction. In response to these statements someone in the audience agreed that they had not been doing a good job of listening to homosexuals. Schmierer coached his audience to work to prevent child neglect and said all people need to be treated with dignity.

Overall, I have little complaint about Schmierer’s presentation except that it does not provide the whole scoop. Supporters of reparative theory often fail to inform audiences of all possible etiologies for homosexuality. Likewise, they do not reveal the low conversion rates. Christian psychologists Yarhouse and Jones found only 15% (after a four year period) experienced a shift to heterosexual attraction. The majority of individuals are not going to “repair” their sexual orientation despite practicing all the advice of reparative therapists. This needs to be acknowledged. To provide false hope that most people can be cured of homosexual attraction is grievous and deceptive. It also keeps people from addressing how we can actually support individuals who are not going to experience desired change. Furthermore, I have concerns about a European psychoanalytic worldview being transplanted to Uganda without any consideration for how African cultural dynamics influence family and sexuality in that country.

Be Culturally Aware. Perhaps one of the primary problems with this conference is that it tried to impose American ideology on Ugandan culture. Uganda is not America. Its one thing for Lively to say the things he does in the United States where gay people are not threatened with imprisonment. Its quite another to bring that same rhetoric to a country where even pastors have posted the names, addresses and photos of gay people on a website, exposing them to potential violence and arrest.

There are also dynamics unique to Uganda in regards to sexuality. The AIDS epidemic has, in part, contributed to strong reactions to sexual activity in general. In the 1990s, Uganda launched an assertive campaign in an attempt to reduce infection and death rates. Their efforts succeeded in reducing HIV prevalence from 15% in 1991 to 5% in 2001. Many Africans know a friend or relative who has died from AIDS. As a result, it is not only homosexual sex that is opposed, but any extra-marital sex. The same verbiage used to condemn homosexuality is used to denounce illicit heterosexual activity as well. The Minister for Ethics and Integrity, James Nsaba Buturo even proposed criminalizing mini-skirts. And in regards to prostitution he stated:

We want to shame the public officials who even use government vehicles to buy prostitutes. We want to shame the husbands who go after these prostitutes and those running brothels. Their names will be published in print, television, Internet and other possible arena.

The harsh attitudes in Uganda toward gay people, the way the AIDS epidemic has shaped responses to sexual activity, and the societal use of shame to effect change are only a few cultural factors that need to be considered before Americans on either side of the debate start telling Ugandans what to do.

Don’t Mix Ministry and Politics: I strongly support anyone’s right to be involved in the political process. Those who take part in public policy on issues of homosexuality are not automatically bigots simply because they are advocating for their views (though the manner in which they lobby or the type of action recommended may be bigoted—by either side). Nevertheless, one cannot successfully minister to a gay person while simultaneously lobbying against him. One cannot assure a gay person he has dignity in one moment and accuse him of preying on children in the next. This is exactly what happens at conferences like the one in Uganda.

Public policy is a completely different mission from providing counsel and support to those affected by homosexuality. Major problems develop when the two are blended. For example, Lively’s view on ministry to gays is directly affected by his political message that homosexuality is completely acquired. To acknowledge the possibility that homosexuality might have biological underpinnings is to lose part of the political battle. In the same way, many ex-gay leaders are reluctant to admit low conversion rates in an effort to counter gay activists’ equally problematic assertion that change is impossible. Yet, by denying the low conversion rates, we fail to provide adequate discussion and resources for those living single, celibate lives. We also increase the likelihood of people returning to homosexuality when they are disillusioned by a lack of expected change. Furthermore, if we are not open-minded about causation of homosexuality, we risk promoting ineffective treatment.

Ex-gay leaders will often say its about “holiness, not heterosexuality.” But, the lack of forthright teaching on low conversion rates, the use of ambiguous terminology such as “freedom from homosexuality,” and the tendency to hem and haw when asked about any continued same-sex attractions sends a contradictory message. Some years ago, one ex-gay leader’s ministry was almost excluded from Exodus affiliation because he admitted still being predominately homosexual (albeit celibate). Ultimately the affiliation was granted, but the fact that there was any hesitation at all speaks loudly. Political battles lead us to promote certain ideology in order to win an argument, rather than what is most effective for ministry. By being honest about etiologies and conversion rates, we can provide much more accurate and helpful resources.

In addition, mixing politics with ministry creates poor results simply on the basis of basic leadership/management principles. Marcus Buckingham spent seventeen years with the Gallup Organization conducting research on the best management practices. In his book One Thing You Need to Know about Great Managing, Great Leading and Sustained Individual Success, he writes that effective organizations are those that pinpoint one, primary strength and cultivate that to excellence. Organizations that try to excel in too many different directions end up lukewarm in all areas or floundering entirely.

Listen Well, Communicate Well. Despite requests for clarification for almost two weeks, Exodus has not publicly responded to concerns about the conference. Exodus VP, Randy Thomas alludes to this silence in a recent blog post. An organization like Exodus is constantly getting flack from the gay community simply for existing; they cannot be expected to respond to every negative reaction. At the same time, the concerns about this conference are very legitimate. Not only is the gay community concerned, but also members of the ex-gay community. The criminalization of homosexuality and forced therapy are serious issues. To be silent at a time like this is not prudent.

Many ex-gay leaders are on the defensive because our ministries are so often misunderstood, but this interferes with the ability to be receptive to feedback. In the past when I have expressed concerns to certain ex-gay leaders, I received responses like, “Don’t believe everything you read on Ex-Gay Watch.” In other words, I don’t have a mind of my own. I’m just being brainwashed by gay activists. Sincerely listening to others is common courtesy. Responding to people is respectful. This is about basic communication skills. Ignoring people is not a good leadership tactic. Nor is it good PR.

If Exodus is not ready to make a position statement at this time, perhaps they might consider saying: “Hey, we’ve heard your concerns, we are taking them seriously and we want to spend some time thinking and praying through them before we give an official response. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.”

17 Comments

  • This is actually a little insane because not knowing about this conference I was sitting in class today and out of the blue I started thinking about the conversations about homosexuality that I had with people when I was in Uganda.
    I was on a missions trip with a church who’s people I didn’t know very well because it’s not my church. One of the ladies asked our guide his opinions on homosexuality. He’s a Christian and he just shrugged his shoulders and said there were gay bars but it didn’t seem like a big deal. I not wanting to out myself to strangers said nothing. In hindsight I probably should have said something as the conversation kind of took an uncomfortable turn I got scared. The overall feeling I got though was that the Ugandan Christians were open and loving towards all people which was great but I can’t say the same about us Canadians, well some Canadians.

  • Thank you for your thoughtful post. I just wanted to clarify that my post wasn’t an allusion to the Ugandan issue. It was born out of being inspired by the post it quotes. While I was writing it I thought of several situations, including Uganda, but I can honestly say that the post itself wasn’t written for that or I would have said so.

  • Sarah–I have not been to Uganda, but I did travel to Zimbabwe one summer and found the Christians there very kind and friendly as well. Though I didn’t ask their views on sexuality. I really wish we could hear from some Ugandan Christians about their experience at the conference, how they feel about the issues, what their concerns are and what they want to do. Its hard to know where the average Ugandan Christian is on this. Were the people who put on the conference the equivalent of the Religious Right in America? Or reflective of more mainline Christianity there? If there are any Ugandan Christians out there who read this, I would love to hear your thoughts.

    Randy–Thank you for the clarification. I should not have made an assumption. Though, the article did sound like it was directly connected to everything going on. I know you may not have the liberty to say anything right now, but I would love to hear your thoughts on all of this. Any general personal thoughts you can share with us?

  • PS–Sarah I love Canada! :)

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  • Karen,

    Thanks for a well-written and thoughtful response. I’ll admit, this situation has gotten me pretty angry. Exodus and its leaders are extraordinarily quick to denounce an idea or a policy that encourages sexual immorality. It would be refreshing if they could even be half as fast in denouncing other types of immorality (especially when they are connected -albeit loosely- to it.)

    Using lies to protect Truth can be disastrous. How successful would a missionary to the Middle East be if he told everyone who’d listen that all Muslims are suicide bombers? How effective would one running a rehab clinic be if he told “success stories” in a way that grossly oversimplified how hard it really is to kick a drug habit?

    Balancing Grace and Truth is like walking a tightrope. In my opinion, many in the ex-gay world fell off it long ago.

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  • Karen,

    I found your article to be well thought out. I support almost everything you presented. Thank you for putting together the additional background information that I wasn’t able to access yet.

    Here is one suggestion to this statement that you made where you said: “One cannot assure a gay person he has dignity in one moment and accuse him of preying on children in the next. This is exactly what happens at conferences like the one in Uganda.”

    Part of my work as a Clinical Counselor is to work with individuals who are in prison because of CSC (criminal sexual conduct). This could have been with minors or adults, people of the same sex or people of the opposite sex.

    One thing I have learned from these individuals is that I need to honor the dignity of each of these inmates, while also inviting them to explore why they committed the crime they are serving time for. I have found that because I do affirm the dignity of each of these inmates, while also exploring with them their crime (including those whose crime is preying on children), that they appreciate that I will do both. Those who have committed crimes with children almost exclusively honestly do believe that they were showing love to these children whom they were sexual with.

    Beginning with the foundation of dignity for everyone, allows them to discover what were the deeper reasons behind their acknowledged criminal and damaging behavior. They appreciate how I am helping them to understand a deeper level of love and how it can be expressed.

    Because there seems to be a culturally accepted viewpoint that if a young person is questioning their same sex sexual attractions, that they should primarily or exclusively receive input that encourages same sex sexual behavior, because there is some level of same sex sexual/romantic/emotional attraction present, it is important for me to affirm the dignity of those who encourage this approach, while I would not support such an approach, professionally.

    Yes, I do believe there is grooming toward same sex sexual behavior in some instances. I do not believe it happens in all situations. There appears to be a broad range of the degree to which grooming occurs.

    The conference in Uganda may have been trying to address this.

  • Mike – I was glad to read another clinical counselor; not many use that term.

    At any rate, I agree with the need to start with respect. Where I encourage you to read further is with the premise of this conference. Whereas the conference organizers told stories of grooming and recruitment, the solutions posed are not aimed at child sexual offenders but rather adult consenting relationships. If this was a conference on rehabilitation and sexual offense then I doubt we would be talking about it to the degree we are.

  • I couldn’t imagine how I’d feel if I were arrested and put in prison for a life sentence simply for being gay. The only message that would send me is that because I’m gay, I’m of no use whatsoever to society and not worth the life God has given me. What’s wrong with people? Imagine how those same politicians who criminalize homosexuality would feel if lying were criminalized. After all, both are sins as far as God is concerned. That would mean the finger would be pointed back to them and they’d be accountable for thier own sins/misgivings for a change. It just seems to me as though they’ve made homosexuality into the devil, and left out any real compassion or understanding for those who go through this. It’s not like this is the easiest thing to resist afterall. What a bunch of dumb-a@#%s.

  • And I’ll apologize for the little rant. Sorry.

  • Hi Mike,
    Thanks for leaving a comment. I agree that sex offenders can be treated with dignity while also confronting their crimes. When I was a therapist, one aspect of my job was conducting mental health evals for people on probation and parole–many of them sex offenders–rapists, pedophiles, etc. And, of course, I treated them with dignity while also making recommendations regarding level of monitoring they might still need (due to continued desire to commit crimes) and referrals to sex offender treatment.

    However, my experience with sex offenders is not remotely similar to my experience with the gay community. I agree with Throckmorton’s response to you. It sounds like you are comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. This is a gross myth that refuses to die. Gay people are not pedophiles anymore than heterosexuals. And, I have deep concerns that you would consider sex offenders an apt comparison to the issues being discussed in Uganda, etc. Uganda has criminalized consensual sex between adults of the same-gender. That is, non-perpetrator behavior.

    Brandon, I can understand your frustration. The question is how can we bring change? One of my frustrations is that the only Christians speaking on homosexuality are ex-gays or the extreme religious right. The moderate evangelical church which would provide much more helpful and accurate training is largely silent and too “seeker sensitive” to do anything meaningful. I fault the moderate church with what is happening with conferences like the one in Uganda as much as the ultra-conservatives. They are at fault for their silence. Perhaps if more moderate evangelicals were paying attention, those in Russia and Africa would have been able to invite those speakers instead. As it is, the American religious right culture is now being transplanted to other countries, even as this movement is dying in America. And dying for some very good reasons. What a nightmare to have it resurrected in other parts of the world.

    Jim Burroway recently posted a link of Lively’s speech (http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/archives.php?id=5225300) to the Russians in the comment section of Throckmorton’s blog. In it Lively says:

    “Homosexuality is a personality disorder that involves various, often dangerous sexual addictions and aggressive, anti-social impulses. This combination of factors causes homosexuals to have an intense loyalty to each other and a common goal to change any society in which they live in organized “gay and lesbian” communities. They have no acceptance in a society that restricts sex to heterosexual marriage, so they work to eliminate sexual morality and remove all limitations on sexual conduct. Importantly, their initial strategy is not promote homosexuality, but to spread sexual immorality among heterosexuals, especially the young people. Only later, when the culture has become sexually corrupt, do they openly step forward to take power as the natural leaders of such a society.”

    I can’t even begin to express how distorted from reality this is. People like Lively seem to have never had contact with actual gay people to come up with such demeaning descriptions. He blames gays for the spread of sexual immorality. I think heterosexuals did a fairly good job of that in the sexual revolution of the 60s. But, does he mention that? No its all the gay people’s fault. Its truly bizarre. He actually believes that gay people are trying to take over the country like its some sort of military coup.

    The question is how do we address such distortions? Lively really believes this stuff. Yes, its offensive, but the only way we can bring change to a more Christ-like and productive response to the issue of homosexuality is not to demonize Lively in return, but to seek to educate. Its too bad the Ugandan Church did not invite someone like Andrew Marin or Chad Thompson. Even Love Won Out would have been much better. I wonder why they chose the speakers that they did.

  • Karen, what resources would you recommend to study in relation to the same-sex attraction?I have
    been asked to speak at a teen workshop on teen sexuality/how to deal with gay people. I have had and have gay friends and family so I have
    seen the community up close. My research as a Christian has centered on a book by Tim Lahaye, “The Unhappy Gays.” As I understand it, you dispute some of his findings so I welcome your feedback.

  • Hi Michael,

    Good question! I am so glad to hear that you are speaking on sexuality. There is such a need for the church to do so. As for resources, I would suggest something a bit more updated than Lahaye’s book. His book was published back in 1978 when many Christians were still trying to figure out what homosexuality was all about. Fortunately, over the years others have written material that is more current and accurate.

    If you want to show something to teens, I recommend the video “Truth and Tolerance” and I also recommend passing out a list of online resources for youth. You can find those resources for youth at the bottom of this post I wrote on youth and homosexuality: http://pursuegod.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/christian-youth-on-homosexuality/

    In terms of how to respond to gay friends, I recommend Chad Thompson’s book “Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would.” He also has suggestions related to addressing homosexuality in high schools in a way that is outreach oriented rather than harsh protests that the ultra-conservative folks normally do. See Thompson’s website Inqueery: http://www.inqueery.com/

    In terms of the church’s response, there is an excellent chapter on homosexuality by pastor Dan Kimball in his book “They Like Jesus, But Not the Church”–its one of the best things I’ve read by a pastor on the subject. He really gets it and he understands where young people are at in their thinking on this issue.

    I think the key is balance between grace and truth. Jesus seeks to be redemptive. So, how does the church respond–not with condemnation but with a redemptive spirit? And, how can your youth group be safe for the kids there to be open about their own struggles? Definitely assume that there are some who struggle that you will be speaking to in this group. Probably scared to tell anyone.

    A new book that is coming out in May that I also recommend is “Love is an Orientation” by Moody graduate student Andrew Marin. See his website here: http://www.themarinfoundation.org/

    Andrew is more incarnational in his ministry to the gay community than probably anyone I know. He is not gay himself, but lives in BoysTown, Chicago.

    You can also see here a general list of resources on sexuality by category for more options: http://pursuegod.wordpress.com/library/sexuality-library/

    And, feel free to post again or e-mail me if you have any further questions or comments. Thanks!

    PS–another good resource is Reach Truth. This is a good way to come alongside someone who struggles without having to be an expert on sexuality. So, if a teen in your church struggles, try pairing them with a same-sex mentor–a safe, godly adult who might be willing to go through this mentor program with them: http://www.reachtruth.com/

  • I lived in uganda for 3 years just as all this hysteria was beginning to reach its present crescendo. Many people were relaxed about it, but many, many others were extremely uptight and believed all kinds of outlandish ideas– “homosexuality causes aids”, “causes cancer”, etc etc– and they feel that gays are a very serious threat that must be dealt with by punishment, torture, imprisonment, harassment, and death. The odd thing is that to hear the rhetoric, you’d think that without over-the-top draconian laws, every single man, woman, and teenager is on the verge of becoming a flaming queer by tomorrow morning. The president is using gays as a scapegoat to deflect anger about his family’s plundering and his own failed policies. The inflamed rhetoric of Pastor Ssempa, a friend of Rick Warren and very frequently in the paper, one of the organizers of the conference, is extremely ugly and hateful and mendacious. People are in real danger. If we want to help, we should look to find ways of cooling down the whole discourse. That means we’re going to have to show how accepting that a certain number of people in this world are always going to be gay is a mature christian stance. Africans do sometimes look to missionaries as role models. But no homophobic christian should ever be allowed to go to Africa. S/he could be abetting murder. And murder is a lot more common there than it is here.

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